Thursday, January 26, 2017

Seventh pay commission

Happy Republic Day.

A committee has been formed to implement seventh pay commission in autonomous institutions such as IIT/IISc/NIT. You can enter your thoughts and comments in this thread. This is the current table for regular central government employees.

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Anonymous said...

Its because NITs only want scale but not qualification criteria

Anonymous said...

I see that many of the people who commented above are more worried about someone else getting an equivalent salary without doing work comparable to theirs. Without checking whether this implied situation is correct or not, one can definitely say that the people who are worrying like this are not motivated by their interest in the subject but by the salary only. This is a very serious problem that Indian institutes are going to face. The NIT fiasco is only going to make even more rampant. NITs were doing a good job of offering quality engineering education. They turned their attention to research only in the last decade. NITs had some excellent researchers as well who produced quality PhD ( sometimes better than some IIT product). All this happened before making it mandatory for promotion and all. Then, considering the shortage of faculty in NITs, the government decided to make their pay equivalent to those of IITs. It seems many IIT faculty and some IAS officers were upset at this and immediately they came up with a committee headed by Prof. Sarangi to effectively prevent this situation. The MHRD made it clear that NIT faculty won't get this new pay automatically and the Sarangi committee was asked to come up with the criteria. This did not prevent the MHRD and NIT directors ( including Sarangi) from revising the directors' pay to make it equivalent to that of IITs. Some of them will not fulfil the criteria they came up for the post of Associate Professor. They spent the tax payers money to prepare a ridiculous report (according to which someone who completed a research project in time is ineligible to apply for Associate Professor post while someone who hasn't completed is eligible because he/she has an ongoing project). Those who are worrying about the NIT faculty getting equivalent pay should have gone through that report; you would realise that very few of you would satisfy those requirements. Your institute wisely decided to keep the requirements minimum since genuine researchers do not run after these metrics. After a stagnation of about six years, the MHRD agreed to review this. When the Ashok Dey committee came up with a draft (which is also more stringent than IIT requirements) the clique probably intervened again and when the report was approved it was even more stringent than the Sarangi report. I request anyone who is making the comments to first check these reports. According to the new rules even to become an Associate Professor one needs 50 points. Also, there no remedial measure for the 7+ years during which there was no promotion or recruitment. Note that ( according to new rules) a paper after last promotion will get 4 points (divided among all authors). Same for administrative duties. So people will be forced to "produce" Ph. D.s at whatever cost to gain 8 points each. Just think of it aftereffects. Unlike all other degrees (which has some syllabus/ exam component) the integrity of the Ph. D. degree lies almost entirely with the supervisor. Those want to cheat, can cheat all requirements based on metrics. Just imagine a situation when the government links the number of capital punishments awarded (or not awarded) to the promotion of judges. If they think NITs are not equivalent to IITs, let them revert to the old rules. Else make it equivalent; pay as well as minimum requirements and ensure quality requirement by ensuring the presence of experts who are familiar with recruitment at IITs.

Anonymous said...

Agree. It should be uniform and rationale.

Anonymous said...

Completely agree. Where is the Asok De commttee's recommendations which was prepared by discussing with all facilities of NITs? Again it seems that mhrd taking responsibilities to stagnant the recruitment and promotion in NITs for another five or more years.

Anonymous said...

Humble request to mhrd kindly thinks about existing Asst. Professors who have very high credentials in terms of sponsor projects, Ph.D awarded and no. of quality SCI publications with 6 to 8 years post Ph.D experience but due to lack of interviews in NIT system during past few years, they are not able to move from AGP 6000/7000 to AGP 7000/8000.

iitmsriram said...

Why blame IIT faculty for NIT recruitment rules? These were made up by NIT Directors, no?

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
Not blaming to IIT faculties, just passing the message how the existing faculties of NITs have been suffering by the management of NIT system.

Regards,
Anonymous

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
Not blaming IIT Faculties, just passing the message how the existing faculties of NITs have been suffering owing to whimsical implementation of 4 tier system by the concerned administration of NIT system.

Regards,
Anonymous

Anonymous said...

Why not these rules be implemented in IITs?. We shall demand for this.

Anonymous said...

See this NIT council decision of 2011.
http://mhrd.gov.in/sites/upload_files/mhrd/files/press-releases/Rel181120111.pdf

"It also decided that four-tier flexible system for faculty appointment, as existing in the IIT system, be introduced in NITs as well."

Why it has not been implemented even after 6 years? Who is sabotaging it? Anyone with a genuine interest in the quality of research in India has reasons to worry about the new recruitment rules proposed for NITs.

One of the NITs is understood to have taken a new decision to "improve" the quality of Ph. D. According to this, no newly joined faculty won't be allowed to guide students for Ph. D. independently. They will only be co-guides (we know what that means) along with a senior faculty who will be the guide (we know what that means as well). You cannot blame the professors (who fail to attract students and) who form the senate and take such decisions; for HAG they need to score 150 points (Ph. D = 8, project = 8, SCI paper after last promotion = 4 (to be distributed among all authors), admin duties ( max 24), etc.)

iitmsriram said...

I was responding to comment by anon "It seems many IIT faculty and some IAS officers were upset at this and immediately they came up with a committee headed by Prof. Sarangi to effectively prevent this situation." etc etc. I believe IIT faculty have nothing to do with this, it is NIT Directors (why may have been IIT faculty earlier) and other senior profs in NITs who have worked on the recruitment rules and other related policies. For what it is worth, I don't think the NIT faculty recruitment rules represent a positive direction. Why not have faith in the selection committees like it is done in the IITs?

Anonymous said...

Agree. No metric based system can improve the situation. The only possible solution is in having independent and reputed people as selection committee members. That is what the NIT council should do. Perhaps they can have a national level screening committee. Perhaps a mentor IIT like system to ensure quality recruitment. They can even think of a qualifying exam. These days even those who cannot clear GATE or CSIR NET are mass producing PhDs and papers. Instead they are going for an unrealistic point system; which doesn't even address the differences between science, engineering, humanities, pure / applied areas. While it may be normal for people working in certain areas to publish an average ten papers in a year, you cannot expect the same from someone working in theoretical sciences. That is why the IITs are not following a common norm across all disciplines.

Anonymous said...

Many of the senior people in NITs are excellent teachers with genuine commitment and who have been sufficiently insulted for not doing research. In last decade many young Ph. D.s from IITs have joined NITs (many of whom are stuck at 6000/7000 AGP and are sufficiently frustrated). Many mid-level people are confused by the change of rules midway. (imagine the impact of bringing in to effect rules which make the upcoming promotion impossible by insisting to produce multiple numbers of Ph. D.s) If the new rules are implemented, the NITs will soon be taken over by people in some "doomed" universities who are very good at "producing" Ph. D.s . Even if you have a good selection committee, once you declare that the points are sacred, how (how long) are they going to deny position to people who have points ten times that of minimum requirement.

Anonymous said...

It is just the Campbell's law in action. You are all doomed.

Anonymous said...

Either NITs have to agree 4 tier scale with IITnorms, which looks remote due to post Ph.D requirement or go for UGC like 3 tier. Its important that all service should be protected with no loss of years. Just count number of yrs service. What is said above is correct that for promotion sake people publish poor quality research etc. Few NITs implemented 4 tier in a fake way. Profs without project paper phd got 10.5k agp. This problem was there earlier converted IITs also. Many without ph.d or or research credentials retaired as Assistant profs only. Its high time for nits to choose. Even central universities with much higher research and teaching standard got 3 tier only. I think name n fame which RECs/ NITs had will vanish with 4 tier. U cant run adminstration/senate/BOG etc without senior profs. At the same time u cannot deney promotion to young faculty. Unsatisfied ones go to court. Where nits r heading to?

Anonymous said...

Why MHRD is not insisting on same guidelines for promotion/recruitment in IITs, NITs and IISERs?. I think there should be similar guidelines.

Anonymous said...

If no norms then NITs will pass all ineligible and fail eligible faculty as it already happened in few NITs. Either go for IIT scale and requirement or UGC scale and requirements.

Unknown said...

There is a mention of 12A corresponding to grade pay of 8000 so why to fix assistant professor to 12level and why not 12 A http://7thpaycommissionnews.in/7th-pay-commission-pay-scale-for-defence-personnel-as-per-pay-matrix-level-12a-13-13a-and-14/

Unknown said...

Sir there is 12A corresponding to 8000 AGP in the defence matrix so it should be sought for Assistant professor

Unknown said...

Sir there is 12A corresponding to 8000 AGP in the defence matrix so it should be sought for Assistant professor

iitmsriram said...

@anons asking about military pay level 12A: as the students say here, nice try. The 8000 scale in defence is for lieutenant colonel rank. Instead of PB3 - 7600 grade pay, for the defence services, this scale was upgraded to PB4 - 8000. The entry level pay for this cadre is 37400 + 8000 = 45400, quite a bit higher than the AP scale of 30000 + 8000 = 38000. Mapping AP 8000 AGP to this military pay level of 12A would amount to an upgrade factor of 3.07 (instead of the standard 2.57 or the 2.67 / 2.72 that scales around this range are getting). I am not sure how one can make a positive argument for this.

Anonymous said...

Does this mean that wen defence services upgraded PB3-7600 pay to PB4-8000 pay, the fitment factor was still 2.57-2.72? If not, why can't the same be argued for Assistant Professors.

Anonymous said...

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iitmsriram said...

@anon, lieutenant colonel rank was placed in PB4 - 8000 at the time of implementation of 6th pay commission. The pay mapping in seventh pay commission is with factor of 2.57 only. Entry level pay of lieutenant colonel in 6th pay commission is 37400 + 8000 = 45400, entry level pay of lieutenant colonel in 7th pay commission is 45400*2.57 = 116700 (rounded off) in level 12A. People tried quite hard to get entry level point of AP placed in PB4 (at the time of 6th pay commission implementation), like was done for lieutenant colonel, but this did not happen.

Anonymous said...

I teach at an IIX and while some of us regularly bitch about our promotion process, but reading about what the NIT faculty go through, ours is perfect in comparison! I do not understand as some of the other readers, why the same policies cannot be adopted and the selection committees given the freedom instead of the stupid point system ? I thought the idea was to bring NIT's up and that means better faculty and research facilities. Sure, there might be many bad faculty who will get promoted as a result (will not if the selection committee is fair) but will our policies be based on the doings of the bad or rewarding the good ? The class system, whether in society or in academia cannot be of benefit to this country.
I do not advocate equal pay for all, but what I am saying is that if the govt decided that NIT staff should have a similar scale to IIXs as part of the package to get them to similar standards, then they should be made to walk the talk. I do not how but the academic leaders of this country should keep this in mind. This country will not become developed based on a few IIX's. Or is the case that when these committees decide on policies, they are told to only focus on their on own ilk or lose it all ? I found the history of this payscale thing a confusing read but whosoever created this confusion, did a great harm to all, and by all I mean in the long term the whole country. Let the faculty concentrate on teaching and research and be regularly evaluated for promotions, instead of energies directed elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Seventh pay commission implementation is long pending for CFTI's. Is it finalized?

Anonymous said...

The new RRs for NITs can be seen here.
http://www.nitc.ac.in/app/webroot/img/upload/Recruitment_Rules.pdf
They are planning to make this part of the NIT statutes. So these points might appear in the Gazette. The idiots who take such decisions for our country have magnanimously allotted 10 points for the fellows of IEEE, FNA, FNAE, FNASc. It seems, fortunately, that the wiseguys have not heard of IASc or INSA. Perhaps the academies should decide to cancel the fellowship, if at all someone goes before these NIT directors begging for the 10 points (while trying to earn the 150 needed for the HAG scale).

Unknown said...

Dear Sir, this can happen as starting salary in the defence matrix corresponding to Grad 8000(12B) is over 1 lacs

Unknown said...

Dear sir we can argue that grade pay of 8000 doesn't exist in Pay band 3 so it should go into Pb 4 and this can be treated as one of the anamoly of 6 PRC as the assistant professor got raw deal as compared to military personal and no body tried to rectify the mistake

Unknown said...

Dear sir in 6 PRC 7600agp was up graded to 8000 AGP of colonel rank but we are saying to map the agps on which 7 PRC is based on on

Unknown said...

Dear sir in 6 PRC 7600agp was up graded to 8000 AGP of colonel rank but we are saying to map the agps on which 7 PRC is based on on

Unknown said...

Dear sir we can argue that grade pay of 8000 doesn't exist in Pay band 3 so it should go into Pb 4 and this can be treated as one of the anamoly of 6 PRC as the assistant professor got raw deal as compared to military personal and no body tried to rectify the mistake

Unknown said...

Dear sir on the page number 93 a table is given for mapping the grade pay in 7 PRC and it clearly states that AGP of 7600 is common in both on 3 and 4 so 8000 had to be in PB 4

Unknown said...

Dear sir if you visit page 93 of 7 PRC report u will find AGP 7600 common to both PB 3 & 4 so it can be argued this way that assistant professor already suffered due this non compliance so it is right time to rectify anamoly

Unknown said...

And place assistant professor with AGP 8000 to 12A.this will also take care of NITs stagnancy at 8000 level because u never know whether the solution provided in new RR will work or not

Unknown said...

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://7cpc.india.gov.in/pdf/sevencpcreport.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjW4dWpp7bUAhVGvY8KHdd9AAoQFggcMAA&usg=AFQjCNGwFvaOYBussKUYWCUmiFM9MTxKsA&sig2=21yWXPUioSbsWodHA3ofVg

Unknown said...

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://7cpc.india.gov.in/pdf/sevencpcreport.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjW4dWpp7bUAhVGvY8KHdd9AAoQFggcMAA&usg=AFQjCNGwFvaOYBussKUYWCUmiFM9MTxKsA&sig2=21yWXPUioSbsWodHA3ofVg

iitmsriram said...

Some people just don't give up :-)

GP 7600 in PB4 is limited to Military Nursing Service and is not a civilian pay scale, this is Colonel rank in Military Nursing Service (and hence there is some parallel with similar defence rank).

Why stop with 12A for assistant professors, all IIT / NIT etc faculty existing pay scales can be treated as 6th pay commission anomalies, we can go with what one proposal from IITK indicated - Director should be placed at Cabinet Secretary rank (level 18), all HAG profs at one level below this (level 17) or what is currently Director of IITs etc and so on; professors move up to erstwhile HAG+ (level 16), associate professors move to erstwhile HAG (level 15) and assistant professors to erstwhile professor (level 15) etc. Why not ...

Anonymous said...

https://www.telegraphindia.com/1170612/jsp/nation/story_156402.jsp

Unknown said...

Dear sir,this exactly what I mean to say we should fight and ensure that the equality among agps should be maintained

Unknown said...

Dear sir,this exactly what I mean to say we should fight and ensure that the equality among agps should be maintained

Anonymous said...

R. Subrahmanyam, additional secretary (technical education) "the NITs needed a degree of "flexibility" in the recruitment rules to strike a balance between teaching, research and administrative work" Flexibility = point system. Lordy, a few more such bureaucrats and MHRD will fix all problems at IIT's too. IISER (under NIT act) faculty beware.

Unknown said...

A fact lesser known but worth fighting for and a biggest anamoly if sixth pay commission
8
2. Comparison with Equivalent Cadres in the Education Sector: Till the V Pay Revision, the entry
level pay of Lecturers was at par with the Grade I of the PGT teachers as well as the Vice-Principals
in Government schools, that is, the pay scale of 8000-275-13500/-. In the VI Pay Revision, both the
PGT teachers in Grade I along with the Vice-Principals in the schools were rightly upgraded to a
higher grade of GP 6600 with the corresponding pay of 18750/- in Pay Band III as recognition of the
role played by teachers in shaping social consciousness. The Seventh Pay Commission notified by
the Government of India on 29.06.2016, in sections 11.24.7 and 11.24.9 of the chapter titled
Ministry of Human Resource Development, provided the replacement pay structures of the
PGT teachers and the Vice-Principals of schools, placing them at Level 11 of the Pay Matrix,
corresponding to the pre-revised scale of GP 6600 (pg 663 of the VII CPC report). Hence
keeping in mind this acknowledgement of the role of educators in society, similar
upgradation should be given to the Assistant Professors at the entry level""

Unknown said...

Very good Rest of the pay scales will care of them selves

Unknown said...

Very good Rest of the pay scales will care of them selves

Anonymous said...

Dear Friends, Many faculties in NITs and IIITS are suffered a lot because of 4 tier structure. There was a bottle neck in many faculties profession since they are under same grade pay and position for the last seven years. But according to the new RRs every body will be promotd to the next level based on their performance.( For example somebody good at research, Writing proposals, Administration work etc.) Do not criticise the new rules.

You have to admit Even in IITs the promotion rules are not expilcit and varry from Institute to Institute.

Anonymous said...

I appreciate the efforts taken by the Prof. Ashok De for recommending new RRs.

I Strongly believe that it will give opportunity to every performer in NITs.

1.Those who are capable of publishing good research article

2. Those who are capable of acquiring more research funding

3. Those who produce doctoral students

4. Those who are contributing to the smooth functioning of the institute (Dean, Warden, HOD, Etc..)

Pleease remember getting a project is not that easy in all areas for example those who are working in computational area, Theoretical science mathematics and so on.

Sarangi recommendations only taken the sponsored project for promotion. Bit New RRs consider all aspects. No doubt any Institution needs all sort of Expert as mentioned from 1-4.
So I think the new RRs is definitly a good one

Anonymous said...

4 Tier flexi cadre is applicable to IIITs also. Now the new RRs applicale for IIITs too?

Anonymous said...

In Sarangi Recommendation One project is must for getting Rs. 8000 grade Pay. But unfortunately every body cannot get sponsored project(It mainly depends on the research are and other various factor). But definitely they can produce good research paper published in reputed journals like IEEE and IET. Because of the project even though they have more than ten publication in good journals they can not able to move from 6000 to 8000. Are you people going to agree this?

Even PG teachers can get more salary than this.

At last Prof. Ashok De light the life of many young good faculty.

Anonymous said...

Any news on when Ashok Mishra committee report will be implemented? Thanks

Unknown said...

Comparison with Equivalent Cadres in the Education Sector: Till the V Pay Revision, the entry
level pay of Lecturers was at par with the Grade I of the PGT teachers as well as the Vice-Principals
in Government schools, that is, the pay scale of 8000-275-13500/-. In the VI Pay Revision, both the
PGT teachers in Grade I along with the Vice-Principals in the schools were rightly upgraded to a
higher grade of GP 6600 with the corresponding pay of 18750/- in Pay Band III as recognition of the
role played by teachers in shaping social consciousness. The Seventh Pay Commission notified by
the Government of India on 29.06.2016, in sections 11.24.7 and 11.24.9 of the chapter titled
Ministry of Human Resource Development, provided the replacement pay structures of the
PGT teachers and the Vice-Principals of schools, placing them at Level 11 of the Pay Matrix,
corresponding to the pre-revised scale of GP 6600 (pg 663 of the VII CPC report). similar
upgradation should be given to the Assistant Professors at the entry level with AGP 6000 so the assistant professor with 8000 have to be placed at 13 because 12 level will go to AGP 7000.

Anonymous said...

NIT :-)

ORIGINAL
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=6567202&tag=1

COPY
http://www.academicscience.co.in/admin/resources/project/paper/f201507011435738583.pdf

Anonymous said...

To improve the research situation in NITs the NIT council decide to "Attract star researchers from other institutions/industry with proven research record to start and sustain research activity" and so recommended that "MHRD to add relevant clause to the Model Recruitment Rules".
See page 16 of http://nitcouncil.org.in/data/pdf/council-meetings/10.pdf
The IITs occasionally recruit faculty with proven research (and sometimes teaching) credential outside the IIX system at higher levels. But with the new recruitment rules passed by the same NIT council NITs will end up recruiting star Hostel Wardens, Admission Chairpersons, FDP organisers, etc.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Mishra committee report on 7cpc has gone to dust bin. RSS supposedly feels faculty are already paid lot more than the teachers in RSS schools.

Unknown said...

A month has elapsed since AIFUCTO delegation met Hon’able HRD Minister Shri Prakash Javadekar. Despite his assurances that the recommendations of the 7th UGC Pay Review Committee is on fast track and also under serious considerations, would be out in a month’s time, there is no such indication or communication from the Ministry or Central Government on the same. Six lakhs College and University teachers across the country feel betrayed at the prolonged delay on the assurances given to AIFUCTO delegation on 10th May,2017. In two letters sent to the Minister on 31st May & 12th June, 2017 ,requesting him again to look into the matter and informed him about the forthcoming NEC in Bombay, scheduled on June 18, 2017.AIFUCTO President Prof. Kesab Bhattachrya and General Secretary Prof. Arun Kumar, in a press statement issued here said that University & college teachers of the country are now being compelled to launch a countrywide agitation for fulfilling their long standing and rightful demand. The pathetic attitude of the government is an insult to the dignity of the teachers who are instrumental in shaping the future citizens of India.

Prof. Bhattacharya and Prof. Kumar expressed resentment on laziness and irresponsible attitude of the HRD Ministry and once again requested the Govt. to expedite the publication and implementation of the 7th UGC PRC recommendations as assured to AIFUCTO. They said that 7th CPC was much earlier implemented for Central employees and many state governments have hence forth started implementing the same for their employees .Only the university and college teachers have been left out. Teachers’ Representatives from almost all state universities of the country will participate in AIFUCTO’s proposed NEC meeting on 18th June, to be held in Kalina campus in Mumbai. They will review the whole situations and will certainly decide future course of actions, including the higher forms of agitations for fitting reply to the pathetic attitude of the Govt.

AIFUCTO notes with deep concern that the central government is going to constitute a new regulatory authority HEERA (Higher Education Empowerment Regulatory Authority), much in the same way like the NITI Ayog. This body will replace the UGC and AICTE. The entire efforts is undemocratic and there is total lack of transparency. AIFUCTO sees behind the move .there is intension towards complete centralization and bureaucratisation of higher education by completely taking over the reins of the HRD. MHRD must discuss all the issues thoroughly with stake holders also in parliament before such legislation and should not go ahead with authoritarian attitude.

The proposal for graded autonomy for university and colleges and categorisation of universities into 1, 2 and 3, is another dangerous move to create division among the ranks of the teachers and make easier the path of privatisation of higher education. In this way the government is trying to ease the burden of financial responsibility, a move already initiated through drastic cuts in budget allocation of education. It is certainly the heinous attempt to make easy entry of corporate sectors & Private investors in the field of education only for profits. This step of the Govt. is clearly for dismantling the total public funded education in near future. Making NET, SLET or BET compulsory for pursuing Ph.D would indefinitely hurt the cause of academics as many deserving candidates who could not qualify in these examinations for many reasons would be deprived. This move is an attempt to thwart the march of higher education and research among a very large section of the educated Indians.

Anonymous said...

Faculty Associations of all the CFTIs should join hands with AIFUCTO for their rights

Anonymous said...

The NIT council is certainly taking measures to improve the ranking of Indian institutions. One item they missed is the Nobel prize. In the spirit of the new rules, the following may be added to the Recruitment Rules:

4 points for every Nobel prize won (since last promotion). If there are more than one winners in a year in a subject, the first winner will get 2 points and the rest 2 points to be shared among others.

If Sarangi succeeds in the lobbying measures and the rules are reverted back to Sarangi norms, the following may be added.

One valid Nobel nomination mandatory for all promotions.
(of course Nobel prize winners are not eligible)


In any case NITs have suffered a lot due the frequent change in the rules and subsequent litigations. The new rules will open another Pandora's box of litigations if the seniority of existing faculty are violated. The state has the power to fix the qualifications. But some court may view this as a change of rules during the game. Just before someone becomes eligible for a higher post, the rules are changed and some new parameters are given more weightage resulting in the candidate becoming ineligible for the post and a much junior person who was pursuing those measures (parameters) become eligible and gets promotion. Sine this has happened multiple times during the last seven years, court may find merit in this argument.

The MHRD is supposed to give the directions to the faculty community. The way they are doing it reminds me of the following joke about giving directions.

Ride along this road. Turn right at the tenth junction before the church.!


Well some people did not take the right turn then since you did not ask them to do it then. They are going to drag you to the courts.

Anonymous said...

Sarangi, Ashok de committee experts see that if you have all the credentials then you are not eligible. 10-15 yrs post ph.d service, projects, ph.d guidance etc but still in 6000 AGP. why cannot we have time bound promotion? In any case there is no difference between faculty with or without ph.d. some iit and iisc professors come as experts to promote faculty at nits, worry about airfare/da,flight timings, but never about the quality of candidates. how can 3 tier or n tier will make difference to nits. its high time to stop nits from disintegrating and preserve the respect of faculty, as school teacher.

Anonymous said...

In the revised RR:
They gave equivalence four years three tier associate professor AGP9000 is equivalent to three years four tier associate professor AGP 95000. They can eligible for to apply for professor post. Similarly three tier professor (AGP 10000) can eligible to apply for HAG post.
Why similar equivalence is not introduced in Assistant Professor level:
First question: 1. Whether three years in three tier AGP 8000 (many of them they never crossed 30,000 basic) is equivalent to three years in four tier AGP 8000. In case it is not equivalent, many of the Assistant professor in AGP 8000 is not eligible for Associate professor. After the interview they will be placed in 30,000 basic with AGP 8000 after so many years of experience with credentials.
Many of the the NIT's no interview (promotion or recruitment) happend several years (5-9 years) due to many reasons, then why not introduce equivalence in assistant professor level. This is not fault of any NIT faculty. Its purely administrative responsibility (always few of them will create problem or go to court: it was happend even REC period as well as during NIT period or even it was noted in iit system also) to conduct interview. Don't blame NIT faculty.
In this context, why not introduce equivalence in assistant professor level: 3 years in three tier AGP 8000 or 6 years in three tier AGP 7000 or 9 years in three tier AGP 6000 is equivalent to 3 years in four tier AGP 8000;
3. If the equivalence is not introduced, many of the faculty in NIT is not eligible to Associate professor even they had credential as prescribed by the MHRD.
The new NIT's like NIT goa, nagaland, puducherry faculty (some of them the student of old NIT assistant professor faculty) is eligible for Associate professor in old NIT, how ever the faculty in old NIT (even research supervisor) is not eligible to apply for Associate professor their respective NIT'S.
Don't spread message we are worrying about points or criteria. Already we spent more than 10 years experience at NIT's still many of us in AGP 6000, AGP 7000 and AGP 8000. Once you introduced point system for promotion , why the revised RR is worrying about post Ph.D. experience. I feel NIT faculty members with full teaching work load is finishing PH.D as well as acquiring all the points in terms of publication, project etc. is really great as compared to faculty like me with Ph.D qualification with credit points.
I request again, you follow any tier (three or four etc.) the system should not stand still for so many years whatever be the reason, other wise it is not good for education system or for our country growth. Even it is noted, the leading NIRF ranked NIT's also having similar problem persisting, then MHRD has to seriously looking in to the bottom issue.
Regards

Anonymous said...

The NIT directors are going to realise the dangers of the new point system soon.
In the new scheme there is point for wardenship, deanship, chairing committees and clubs, etc. All these appointments are made by the director or another official unilaterally (citing the prerogative clause). No NIT would have invited applications from interested faculty members for these posts and so many of the faculty members never got a chance to even demonstrate their abilities at wardenship, deanship,etc. Now if someone goes to a court and demands that he/she be given the maximum points in those categories citing the Article 16 of the constitution (which guarantees equality of opportunity in matters of public employment) the prerogative argument wont work. The prerogative doesn't extend to selection to promotion or higher posts. So if any of these prerogatives interferes with the equality of opportunity in matters of public employment, the courts may order remedial measures.

Anonymous said...

As per the sixth pay commission, (MHRD circular dtd. 2009) MHRD gave promotion policy for NIT and Hoping that they are planning to release recruitment policy soon to implement flexible cadre like IIT. So they gave time up to April 2013 to all the NIT's to conduct promotion and the powers to respective BOG to resolve any CAS anamoly which happend earlier. Unfortunately many of the NIT's directors never under stood this MHRD OM as well as vision in correct spirit and never solved any anamoly. Some of the NIT's even diluted the MHRD norms and conducted the CAS scheme (MHRD never told to dilute 2009 MHRD OM for NIT'S) . This created confusion and more anamoly accumulated now. Now four years gone from 2013 and most of the NIT's no recruitment happend (As per the flexible structure every year recruitment should happend)
Now the MHRD circulated Revise RR in June 2017 for recruitment. Instead of opposing the revised RR, the NIT's should ask permission from MHRD to implement promotion policy for existing faculty upto June 2017 and implement the recruitment based on Revised RR (for both existing as well as outsider) from July 2017 onwards. If it will be happend simultaneously as a one time measure, hopefully many of the problem will be solved. I hopefully believe the MHRD will not oppose this proposal if the directors patiently explained to ministry.

Anonymous said...

NIT directors have no idea except corruption. Most of them donot have credential needed for associate prof. But they get HAG. If MHRD fix them then other things can be done easily.

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NEW DELHI: The much-awaited pay revision for lakhs of faculty and staffers across higher education institutes is likely to get a go-ahead by Guru Purnima (July 9), effecting an average of 15% salary hike with effect from January 1, 2016.

Jun 27 2017 : The Economic Times (Delhi)
Pay Hike for Varsity Staff, Faculty Likely in July
Anubhuti Vishnoi
New Delhi:


BIG JUMP Eight lakh faculty & staff may get an average 15% hike
The much-awaited pay revision for lakhs of faculty and staffers across higher education institutes is likely to get a go-ahead by Guru Purnima (July 9), effecting an average of 15% salary hike with effect from January 1, 2016.
The Human Resource Development ministry is set to take Cabinet approval to grant an average 15% hike to about eight lakh faculty and staff across all Central and state universities as well as the Centrally funded technical institutes, including IITs, IIMs, NITs, IISERs, sources told ET.

The pay hike--estimated to cost the government `75,000 cr over three years--was also taken up for discussion at the PMO on Monday , ET has learnt.

The last pay revision for teachers in 2006 gave them a pay packet higher than a civil servant and the edge is likely to stay. While academic pay scales are different from civil servants, it is expected that an assistant professor will be paid about `1600 more at basic level vis a vis an entrant civil servant.

The pay revision will benefit about 7.5-8 lakh faculty and staff in state government-funded colleges and universities, 30,000 employees at the Central Universities and about 30,000 at centrally funded technical institutes.

While the cost estimates for central universities and CFTIs is `600 cr each, with the Centre bearing half the cost for states, it will amount to about `12,000 crore. The pay hike will apply to the next three years, mapping on the 7th Pay Commission recommendations to the educational institutes and according a near 15% average salary increment, sources said.

As per 7th pay commission fitment formula, a teacher's salary will be revised by a multiplier of 2.72 (applied to the basic salary and academic grade pay) for professor and above and a multiplier of 2.67 for assistant professor and above.

Issues of service conditions and tenure will be left for the University Grants Commission to address.

The Pay Review Committee constituted by the UGC had submitted its report to the ministry in February recommending a 20% hike. The pay panel committee for CFTIs had sought a hike in the C u m u l at ive P ro f e s s i o n a l Development Allowance for faculty to encourage research work and global exposure for faculty pay parity for Directors of all institutions. While the CPDA hike has been accepted by the HRD ministry , it has been decided to retain the higher salary structure for directors of institutes of national importance.
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/services/education/good-news-for-professors-pay-hike-for-university-staff-faculty-likely-in-july/articleshow/59328453.cms

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Jun 27 2017 : The Economic Times (Delhi)
Pay Hike for Varsity Staff, Faculty Likely in July
Anubhuti Vishnoi
New Delhi:


BIG JUMP Eight lakh faculty & staff may get an average 15% hike
The much-awaited pay revision for lakhs of faculty and staffers across higher education institutes is likely to get a go-ahead by Guru Purnima (July 9), effecting an average of 15% salary hike with effect from January 1, 2016.
The Human Resource Development ministry is set to take Cabinet approval to grant an average 15% hike to about eight lakh faculty and staff across all Central and state universities as well as the Centrally funded technical institutes, including IITs, IIMs, NITs, IISERs, sources told ET.

The pay hike--estimated to cost the government `75,000 cr over three years--was also taken up for discussion at the PMO on Monday , ET has learnt.

The last pay revision for teachers in 2006 gave them a pay packet higher than a civil servant and the edge is likely to stay. While academic pay scales are different from civil servants, it is expected that an assistant professor will be paid about `1600 more at basic level vis a vis an entrant civil servant.

The pay revision will benefit about 7.5-8 lakh faculty and staff in state government-funded colleges and universities, 30,000 employees at the Central Universities and about 30,000 at centrally funded technical institutes.

While the cost estimates for central universities and CFTIs is `600 cr each, with the Centre bearing half the cost for states, it will amount to about `12,000 crore. The pay hike will apply to the next three years, mapping on the 7th Pay Commission recommendations to the educational institutes and according a near 15% average salary increment, sources said.

As per 7th pay commission fitment formula, a teacher's salary will be revised by a multiplier of 2.72 (applied to the basic salary and academic grade pay) for professor and above and a multiplier of 2.67 for assistant professor and above.

Issues of service conditions and tenure will be left for the University Grants Commission to address.

The Pay Review Committee constituted by the UGC had submitted its report to the ministry in February recommending a 20% hike. The pay panel committee for CFTIs had sought a hike in the C u m u l at ive P ro f e s s i o n a l Development Allowance for faculty to encourage research work and global exposure for faculty pay parity for Directors of all institutions. While the CPDA hike has been accepted by the HRD ministry , it has been decided to retain the higher salary structure for directors of institutes of national importance.

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Jun 27 2017 : The Economic Times (Delhi)
Pay Hike for Varsity Staff, Faculty Likely in July
Anubhuti Vishnoi
New Delhi:


BIG JUMP Eight lakh faculty & staff may get an average 15% hike
The much-awaited pay revision for lakhs of faculty and staffers across higher education institutes is likely to get a go-ahead by Guru Purnima (July 9), effecting an average of 15% salary hike with effect from January 1, 2016.
The Human Resource Development ministry is set to take Cabinet approval to grant an average 15% hike to about eight lakh faculty and staff across all Central and state universities as well as the Centrally funded technical institutes, including IITs, IIMs, NITs, IISERs, sources told ET.

The pay hike--estimated to cost the government `75,000 cr over three years--was also taken up for discussion at the PMO on Monday , ET has learnt.

The last pay revision for teachers in 2006 gave them a pay packet higher than a civil servant and the edge is likely to stay. While academic pay scales are different from civil servants, it is expected that an assistant professor will be paid about `1600 more at basic level vis a vis an entrant civil servant.

The pay revision will benefit about 7.5-8 lakh faculty and staff in state government-funded colleges and universities, 30,000 employees at the Central Universities and about 30,000 at centrally funded technical institutes.

While the cost estimates for central universities and CFTIs is `600 cr each, with the Centre bearing half the cost for states, it will amount to about `12,000 crore. The pay hike will apply to the next three years, mapping on the 7th Pay Commission recommendations to the educational institutes and according a near 15% average salary increment, sources said.

As per 7th pay commission fitment formula, a teacher's salary will be revised by a multiplier of 2.72 (applied to the basic salary and academic grade pay) for professor and above and a multiplier of 2.67 for assistant professor and above.

Issues of service conditions and tenure will be left for the University Grants Commission to address.

The Pay Review Committee constituted by the UGC had submitted its report to the ministry in February recommending a 20% hike. The pay panel committee for CFTIs had sought a hike in the C u m u l at ive P ro f e s s i o n a l Development Allowance for faculty to encourage research work and global exposure for faculty pay parity for Directors of all institutions. While the CPDA hike has been accepted by the HRD ministry , it has been decided to retain the higher salary structure for directors of institutes of national importance.

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Anonymous said...

There is some good news in Economics Times-Delhi

https://epaperlive.timesofindia.com/ETE/DEL?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1#display_area

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